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Recently, I have had several people write and try to defend the SDAs. These people all tell me they are NOT SDAs, and they almost all eat meat and drink coffee. But, they attack viciously in defense of the SDAs. I have to tell you that I have no idea what this means. There seems to be some reason for it, but they will not tell me why. I suspect it is the friends of Richard Reeves who took over the Ron Wyatt alleged ministry regarding discoveries in the Middle East. Wyatt was an SDA at heart and claimed the Ellen G. White gave him revelation where to find his bogus discoveries in her books. People who want to believe the medium and fakir Ron Wyatt need to defend him and his SDA heritage. I believe this is the impetuous for these attacks. |
Here
is an exchange with a slow belly who wrote me recently,
followed by my charitable
response.
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From:
A reader
To: steve
Ran across this comment at your site...
"...The SDA meat doctrine is an accusation that Jesus was a sinner, and thus, his sacrifice on the cross was pointless, for the SDA Jesus was not sinless. For that blasphemy, all SDAs will go to hell...."
(FYI: I DO eat meat and I am NOT a SDA.)
Can you pleeeeaaaaaassssssseeeee tell me where it says in Scripture that those who commit blasphemy against Jesus WILL GO TO HELL???????
The reason I ask, is because this IS what Scripture says concerning that issue:
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31-32.
And again ...
Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. Mark 3:28-30.
Is it possible that you have (unrighteously?) accused others of having an 'unclean spirit' and in doing so, might you have committed blasphemy of the Holy Ghost? (Something to REALLY think about, don't you think?)
Such a shame that you must run-down others in the manner that you do. Scripture does NOT tell us to operate in the manner that you are operating: God has set down rules as to how matters are to be handled, and I don't believe that He has ever told ANY of US to persecute others in His name.
What God does tell us all, is this:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:11.
NOWHERE in Scripture do I read GOD's WORD as saying, "...The SDA meat doctrine is an accusation that Jesus was a sinner, and thus, his sacrifice on the cross was pointless, for the SDA Jesus was not sinless. For that blasphemy, all SDAs will go to hell...."
It is GOD's WORD that will accomplish that which HE pleases -- not yours or mine. (Scripture says so.)
I would be afraid -- VERY AFRAID to do what you do, and I would live in fear of Judgment day after doing such HOSTILE and HURTFUL things. (I wonder how many who have been seeking The Lord have come to your site and after reading such hateful remarks have said, "If that's a Christian, I don't want to be one" ?)
I love The Lord and I do have a personal and intimate relationship with Him. He is LOVING AND KIND AND MERCIFUL (Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.) He is NOT hateful and unforgiving and He knows ALL of our faults (SDA's and IFB's and UNBELIEVERS alike) for it is written, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
If you want mercy come judgment day, hadn't you better be showing MERCY and COMPASSION for EVERYBODY today? (Or, do you make God a LIAR by 'thinking' that you are not a sinner while believing that the SDA's {and others} ARE sinners?) Hmmmmm....
I do believe that you have BLESSED the SDA's by your (erroneous? false? hateful? persecutorial? evil?) rantings, because Scripture says:
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. (Just what you appear to have done to the SDA's).
I guess you must have forgotten:
By long forbearing is a prince persuaded, and a soft tongue breaketh the bone.
(Ouch!)
From a reader
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My
response
By Steve Van Nattan,
Editor: Blessed Quietness Journal
My point has nothing to do with the blasphemy doctrine as such.
Let me also say that if you refuse to think with me, though you may not agree with me, I will send you to the hog pen where I send all other mindless adversaries.
So, the issue is this:
1. Jesus had to be sinless in order to be the perfect sacrifice for our sins. The SDAs would claim to believe that.
2. Any sin in Jesus would then disqualify him from being our Savior, for he would not be a perfect sacrifice.
3. Thus, the SDA Jesus sinned by eating meat. When I confront them with this, they panic mentally, and they usually drop the topic and tell me they need to leave to do something urgent. They see the logic easily, though you may not, and they realize they have made Jesus an imperfect sacrifice. Their loyalty to Ellen G. White and the SDA hierarchy kick in, and they walk away mentally rejecting the reasoning which God invited us to do.
As to your wimpy sloppy wet kiss religion, I give you some verses to consider:
Romans
16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences
contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they
that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good
words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Psalms 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved
with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred:
I count them mine enemies.
23
Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 24 And see
if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
Is this your first experience with perfect hatred?
Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say,
Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet
I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage
waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Are you happy to accuse me of hate while you may well be the object of God's wrath and hate one day at the judgment? As you say, "(ouch)" !! Not many people learn to fear the hate of God. I would rather see every man I know hate me and know I have pleased my Lord than take the uncertain path you have chosen.
GET THIS STRAIGHT, FRIEND:
I am NOT dealing with believers when I deal with
SDAs. With extremely rare exceptions, they are works driven, and they are no different
than a the Pope, Hindus, or Buddhists as to their "faith" which is based in law
keeping and works. They are damned to hell, and if you share their works religion,
you too will go to sleep one day soon, for the last time, and you will wake up
in hell and scream for water. Your sloppy agape religion will then be rubbish,
and you will be eternally damned. Why is it loving for me to tell you otherwise?
You and your SDA friends need to hear the truth.
YOU ARE DAMNED TO HELL IF YOU REFUSE TO REPENT OF YOUR WORKS SALVATION.
You said, "I would be afraid -- VERY AFRAID to do what you do"
Not me, friend. I fear God if I refuse to speak. Your blood would be on my hands.
I do say that in the slim hope that you will indeed repent. If I did not care, my diddle headed friend, why would I take the take to write all this stuff? You just do not understand that we are in a warfare, and I will FORCE you to go to one side or the other. I am here to demand a verdict out of slow bellies. Now, will you stand on the King James Bible salvation doctrine, or will you go to hell with your SDA friends?
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
UNJUSTIFIED PEOPLE GO TO HELL AND NEED TO BE TOLD THAT FACT.
That includes those who live by the works of Sabbath keeping, not eating meat, and not drinking coffee.
Why would you defend these people instead of pounding them with the truth instead of attacking me, the truth giver?
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
In Christ Jesus, the meat eater of Galilee
Steve Van Nattan
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Reader:
Are you justifying the SDAs? If so, you may well be damned to hell. You cannot
delight in the wicked and please God.
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LETTER FROM A BIBLE BELIEVER:
I have dealt with Mormons almost exclusively for more than 25 years. I have debated the great and the small. I lived and preached in Utah for many years.
As I read over the article on VEGANS it occurred to me [and this was reinforced the other night] that in all those years I NEVER had the trouble with a Mormon that I always have with a Saturday Sabbath keeper.
They are uniformly the most stubborn, in love with their error bunch, I have ever met! I have watched the scales fall from the eyes of Mormons, JW's and the rest, but OH those sabbatarians!
Anyway, have a swell day out there!
Jay Crosby
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